February 13--Chat Log
Elyssa exactly Marcia people would value life if we make an example by killing people scott killig killers doesnt stop more killers from killing Tiffany I don't think that anyone has the right to play "god" timd hell yes...murderers deserve to reap what they sow Elyssa the killers played god first, so it's only fair. KevinU thats right no one should play God ............................ mat joined............. Ashley but obviously the person who murdered someone though that they could play God timd god has nothing to do with this scott if we kill killers should we rape rapers Karla But the killers must think killing is ok so why not kill them greg i think that because there is the chance that they could kill agian killers should recieve the death penalty Heatherr oh everyone should play God Callie if someone makes the choice to kill someone then they need to suffer the consequences vs but killing the killers makes us killers greg god is good christie it stops those who are convicted from having a licence to continue killing katie it's inhuman to kill timd i dont think killers think its ok to kill....but they deserve to die Marcia they killed first christie it's a way to prevent futherr wrong doing Tiffany then we are no better then the killers if we give them the death penalty timd yeah we should kill them ............................ mat left............. ............................ mat joined............. christie not really, they earned their punishment Elyssa at least they won't kill anyone again Marcia they are wasting jail space, and out taxes, kill them Ashley we are saving people's lives that may be endangered if the person is ever let free katie everyone deserves a second chance ............................ greg left............. ............................ greg joined............. timd sure we are were appointed by the state to kill killers ship Tim likes the idea of frying people ............................ vs left............. ............................ vs joined............. Ashley no they don't...they could just go kill some more timd do i ever Karla there would be less money spend over the long run if we murder murderers scott if we kill those who kill should we steal from those who steal? timd not true...but they deserve to die Elyssa and we could put that money to better use...like for education Karla exactly Tiffany What hapens if someone killed in self defence?...they should get punished because they were afraid for their life ?? Marcia yes greg if killers are left alive they are just a waste of space Callie good point Heatherr the government and society need to weed out these disgraces of human life KevinU the killers could be reformed christie then they wouldn't have gotten convicted in the first place scott killers still have rights...they are still human timd yeah...send themto the chair to teach a lesson to all the others Ashley no not all killers can be reformed...we couldn't rely on that Elyssa they gave up their rights when they killed greg but so do the people they killed katie there is error in everything, they could be inisent Karla no they could not -- they will just kill once they get out Marcia they lost those rights when they commited murder greg they took the victims no we take theirs scott but every human has basic rights that cant be taken away Tiffany what gives us the right to put others to death? Brian If a killer is reformed is that person still a killer/ katie what about people that have mental disorders? Do they deserve to die? timd in the 2nd essay they say you cant kill someone if theyre mentally unstable...they could be faking it! Callie they can kill again even in jail....they shouldnt be given the chance to do so Ashley who's to say that they are reformed KevinU yes I mean no nickweaver what if the killer was someone in your family would you want them to die? timd yeah but theyll kill prisoners mat life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is granted to all even killers Elyssa if they made that wrong decision then they should be punished katie if kept properly in jail, they won't have the oppertunity to kill again greg nick thats bringing in something that we shouldnt timd yes because theyre sick christie we have the right to protect ourselves, if killling a killer helps to preserve the lives of th innocent, then there is nothing wrong with that Heatherr family or not, murder is murder Karla but that family member could kill you scott right life is a right we cant take away Heatherr and we have the right to play God! scott its a basic human right Ashley what if the person who the murderer killed was in your family...would you want the murderer to die? Callie they lose their rights when they made the choice to kill Karla your life wold be constantly indanger Tiffany There should be a seperate faciltiy to put all those who have killed before and are in the process of being reformed.. scott wanting them to die and killing them are two differnt things katie what about racial discrimination Brian indeed timd thats what the 2nd essay said Ashley but what if they fake being reformed and then just go kill some more Tiffany besides, death is not the only answer Karla thats as chance we cannot take Elyssa you can never tell what people will do....so they could just kill again mat statistics do show that race plays a major factor Marcia but its efficiant christie yea, but he didnt prove in th second essay that it was racial discrimination greg the bottom line is an eye for an eye christie he just suggested it nickweaver what ifd you killed someone by accident and the "law" convicted you even thought it was unintended? timd many killers cannt be reformed so instead of letting them rot in prison kill 'em mat eye for an eye is the old testament Tiffany anybody can kill at any given moment, if the circumstances are present..................... mat were in the new timd i thought it was hammurabi greg ok, how about a leg for a leg greg thats new Karla how can you kill by accident timd hammurabi too mat the ides not the words Ashley sure anyone can kill...but then that person has to take the cosequences Callie exactly nickweaver a lot of ways. Tiffany self-defence....that could be concidered killing somebody by accident timd that idea is time tested, it must work if its been around so long nickweaver like running over some people crossing the street in front of old main Marcia self defense is differant Marcia it is tried differantly too mat Do unto others as you would have them do unto you Callie right....but the chances of someone acting in self defense getting the death penalty isnt a high one.... christie by killing killer we are in essecnce, killing in sel defence timd what if you die in a hunting or fishing or bowling accident? Marcia people don't get sentenced to die if they killed in self defense vs I think if you murder some one you should get your hand cut off Brian killing means you purposly due it self defence your intention is not to kill its to defend Ashley if there is proof that the person's life was in danger when they killed they are treated differently in court Elyssa so if they do unto others by killing, then killing them is what they want done to themselves KevinU running over people isnt too bad katie there are better ways of punishing someone Tiffany who should be the person to determine who gets the death penalty and who doesn't??? nickweaver it is if they die Tiffany that is not fair either timd then why did that guy who killed the gas station guy get the chair? ship stop....your focus should not be on types of crimes....but on the death penalty awarded to people who commit voluntary manslaughter KevinU Or if they scratch your car christie we're not killing as a punishment only, we do it to protect ourselves. mat It means dont kill because you wouldnt want to be killed Karla why just a hand why not kill them, with one hand they can still do many things, including murder again scott basic human rights can not be voided....killing is against the law timd right...do unto others etc... scott by the state or by a person greg people who go out of there way to kill someone should be killed Tiffany also, what if that person was innocent??....you would never find out if that person is dead, it is not like they can argue in favor for themselves Tiffany says sho? Tiffany who* greg says common sense christie they had a fair tiral before they were sentenced scott says morals katie how do you know it was fair? Callie if u chose to end someone elses life...then you lose all rights christie the possiblility of being innocent is slim Marcia morals and law are differant katie someone could have been paid off timd no "if the state says its ok then its no longer immoral" - rev. lovejoy (the simpsons) scott all civil rights maybe Tiffany you don't know if that trial was fair or not scott not unaliable onces Heatherr who cares if cold blooded killers deserve it or not, who cares what's wrong with them or how they were raised, who cares if they were beaten and molested, they all deserve to die. death is fair. scott onces=ones Brian in the law the has to be no reasonable doubt to convict a person nickweaver it is every humans right to live, if you take away someones life then you are subject to punishment, but if you kill someone and you are sentanced to death, then for an example the judge is killing someone, so shouldn't he be kill too.? Brian this is why Oj is golfing scott because he has money timd not any more scott true scott had money Brian that did have somthing to do with it greg who cares about oj vs he still got some christie why should we be concerned with the rights of someone who ened a life on a whim??? we should be concerned with our rights, including to live with out fear of being kiled by someone once convicted of murder. timd he spent it on jhonny cochrane $ well spent Tiffany this is not about Oj scott because they are people mat Oj got off because the great american govt. said he was innocent katie he had a fair trial timd $ talks scott bs walks Marcia yup greg simple common sense says the death penalty is for the greatest good mat good movie ship he was determined to be innocent by a jury of his peers....move on to focus on the subject of discussion timd he should get the chair thogu Karla what about the victim - how can you justify letting their kill kill someone else? Callie maybe he was...we need to have fait h in the judicial system and trust that they are doing the right thing greg because if the killer is not killed asap then the whole rest of the nation will feel insecure about where the killer is Karla killler* christie so are the rest of us, but they committed a cold blooded act, when you murder you bring yourself down to something less than human and you loss you're rights to live so that we can protect ourself from fear of further violation Heatherr the system is not something to be bargained with scott lock them up timd death penalty is the only way to deterr future muderers katie people can be reformed scott throw away the key Elyssa if someone hits you...don't u hit back??? then shouldn't it only be right to kill the person that killed first? Tiffany mistakes do happen scott but you cannot kil them timd not cold blooded killers mat I cant argue for something i dont believe in kill them all Marcia kill them ship you're told from day one not to hit back Elyssa ship your parents tell you that it's wrong Elyssa i don't listen. :) katie but people still do it timd true, but this is not a lynch mob its the govt katie just because you made a mistake doesn't mean you have to die for it ship maybe you should and maybe because people don't listen is why we now have to discuss issues like this one scott the govt should have to go by the same laws we do nickweaver look at this point, leaving a killer behind closed doors in jail, for life leaves the killer knowing that his life passes closer and closer to death each day and he will never be a freeman again, that is why the death pentalty should be replaced w/ life sentances without parol Karla we all have been told not to hit but people still do it Ashley you can't call killing a mistake timd and whatever the govt says is right and the best thing for all 258000000 of us KevinU killing is wrong no matter what that's what it comes down to christie but by killing a murder you protect him from killing a lot of other people Marcia what if somebody close to you was murdered, would you want justice? christie sacrifice one for the sake of many timd hell yes Tiffany yes but ot in that fashion Elyssa yes. scott you can protect society by getting away with parol katie i would want them to rot in jail timd why not its a grat fashion katie not be put out of there missery Tiffany you are just lowering yourself down to their level and you are just as bad as them ship What's the #1 best argument why the USA should not have a death penalty? And what's the #1 best argument for having a death penalty? Elyssa they don't rot anymore....they don't even suffer in jail nowadays. vs but protection at the cost of anothers life? timd the rapings are pretty bad greg i dont know how to argue for something i dont believe in Marcia what if that person who killed somebody close you got out of jail on parole, how would you feel? greg im all about no death penalty vs they can't harm you if they are in jail Elyssa they have parole. KevinU yeah this is rough evan when was the last time you were in jail elyssa? i'm sure they suffer at least alitte bit? scott no parole is better then capitol punishment Karla if we don't put killers to death they can kill again. Would you like to be the one that has to tell a child that their parent is gone because you the jury didn't convict someone for the death of another and sentence them to death. KevinU jail's not so bad Ashley if all jail was the kind of isolation that the prisoners on death row get prison would be the better choice. They are all locked in confinement. But jail isn't that way Brian #1 argument has to be the fact that there is a chance that an innocent man could die ship a jury is not at fault in many cases greg ship can we please argue for what we believe in, this is hard? mat jail isnt that bad at all Tiffany honestly, i'm not really for or against but in some cases I believe that the death penatly is something that should happen Heatherr #1 best argument for it is that these rotten, disgusting, vile excuses for human life will never commit their crime again ship a jury is only presented with the information and some of that information is withheld in the case by dishonest lawyers etc timd yes but if you let him linger in prison he could figure out how to clear himself and live...but he should die scott # 1 against Its illeagel to kill KevinU the jail was like a big dorm timd not by the state Brian you cannot correct an inhuman act with another KevinU but the gym was better ship but what if they are vile because they are products of their environment greg #1 for death penalty, its just the right thing to do. timd the govt can do what it wishes...if it wants me dead ill die Heatherr environment-shmironment ship what makes it right, Greg? Elyssa then maybe they should have found a way to get out of their environment. greg i dont know Ashley I understand th eenviroment debate but just becuase you wrent brought up right doesnt' mean that killing is suddenly okayu greg im just trying to argue for something i dont believe in] christie every one has free choice you are only the produc of your environment to an extent vs death is not the only answer ship it's easy to say environment-shmironment Heather but you are a member of the privileged class Brian that is why you can not execute people because the fault goes beyond themselves Ashley they still have to know in the back of their heads that killing is wrong and they will suffer for it ship you can do better than that, Greg? katie every person gets old enough to make there own decitions greg haha, very true Marcia there has to be strict consequences greg oh my timd right people who dont rise up from theyre environment are quitters Karla the environment has nothing to do with how poeple end up... if that were true then no innercity children would ever become successful people ship very good point, Ashley scott i think life in prison without the chance of parole is very strict Heatherr ya'll should read the message i posted this afternoon - grab a snack and such. it's long ship that's true too, Karla Karla i believe environment is just an excuse Ashley yea I saw that Heather...you wrote a book vs it is ship in another life time, Heather.... Elyssa it is. Marcia karla , it isn't necessaril your just your enviroment, but the people your influenced by too Brian Isnt there other ways for people to feel closure than to see or know of the killing of the accused Tiffany every circumstance is diiferent and it is hard to figure out which path is the right path to take, that is why there are juries and why some people are only locked up and others are put to death greg i believe that the death penalty is right because it is the best thing for the most people ship people who see killing everday become immune to it.... ship and perhaps don't recognze its inherent wrongfulness Brian im talking about the familys of victims timd right its bad for one guy and his family killing him is better for us Elyssa or else they go crazy like the ppl over in the middle east. greg by killing these insane people you help the common public feel safer during every day life Ashley doesn't give them the right to do it KevinU no one can be immune to death mat thats very shady statement ship scott i think social numbness is a pure excuse for murder vs in the end it the killer who decided to kill scott pure=poor Callie The majority of kiillers arent going to be reformed, or have an elightenment and discover they really can be good people. They need to suffer the consequence for their actions.. ship so Greg, your theory is that by killing the scum we cleanse society? greg no no, we make society feel safer mat No because there is no society without scum nickweaver no some much cleanse but take out some of the trash Ashley society will never be cleansed but we can do what we can to get rid of some of the scum Brian there are other ways to clense society than with blood Karla senario-- my parents beat me therefore I beat everyone I come in contact with. I don't think so -- these things can be overcome with detemination and a set of realistic goals ship and by saving money on prisoners who kill we can use the extra dough on education Elyssa plus getting urself out of that bad situation greg or to pay college profs christie just because i see animals killed on the road everyday doesnt mean i can go out and run one over ship so in Greg's society we eliminate anyone who has killed... vs your are talking about people,not trash Brian yes than can as long as you are exposed to somthing that makes you realize this scott they are still people vs not some object vs people with families timd killing every one who commits a crime? greg yes we do Karla but people who kill are not productive members of society Heatherr people who take other people's lives are as good as trash scott but they arnt animals either Heatherr nuke them all greg and in turn everyone else feels safer to be alive Callie not any crime...just murder timd they could write in prison ship but we can still have prisons for people who do not kill right...and when they have fulfilled their punishments they can be released right? Karla no animals tend to act better that people Marcia if they arent animals, then why do they act like them, the punishment should fit the crime timd what about rapistst Brian yea Tiffany people who kill can become productive members of society Karla animals don't kill for "fun' greg yes they can Callie everyone gets different punnishments for different things, you cant compare murder to other crimes ship but the theory goes that people who eventually murder started out doing small stuff Callie this is true.... scott killing might be an act of animalism but again they have basic human rights scott you cant just remove them Brian not in every case christie if you act as an animal would your asking to be treated like one timd the right for the state to tell a criminal to die is also a right ship Okay....I will try to copy your thoughts discussed today....so that everyone can see what occurred scott lock them up, we lock up animals timd we shouldnt they should die greg but arent we arguing against what we truly believe? Karla but we put to sleep pitbulls that harm people
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