| PianoGeek |
why don't we just go off of the list of questions we were given |
| PianoGeek |
discuss those |
| ship |
okay |
| Callie |
sounds good |
| greg |
sounds good to me |
| Elyssa |
ok |
| PianoGeek |
does everyone have them? |
| greg |
does anyone have the list? |
| PianoGeek |
here, i have it |
| greg |
alright good |
| PianoGeek |
lemme type out #1 |
| greg |
alright |
| Vince |
good |
| PianoGeek |
what do you imagine the speaker of hughes' poem was thinking as
he prepared the assignment? what were his "interests"? |
| Katie |
people |
| Vince |
himself |
| Elyssa |
i think he was interested in things that he knew the most
about...which was his life and his everyday things |
| Ashley |
He's talking about how he is just like people of other races |
| Tiffany |
everybody being equal, or at least should be |
| kevin |
comparing himself to others |
| Tiffany |
other Americans |
| Ashley |
he says that he is just like his teacher who is white, yet his
teacher is a little more free |
| greg |
i think he was wondering if the proffessor considered him equal
to himself |
| Katie |
he thinks that everyone should be equal, but he beleaves they
never will be |
| PianoGeek |
yes, he's speaking of the human race as a whole |
| greg |
definitely |
| Callie |
i think he is trying to show that even though everyone is
different, we all are part of one thing |
| PianoGeek |
how the race barriar is obviously there, yet it really doesn't
need to be |
| Callie |
i agree |
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| ship |
sounds good to me |
| kevin |
true |
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| Ashley |
he says that all Americans should be considered to be
one...however they are not and don't always want to be |
| PianoGeek |
because essentially we're all of the same race no matter the
color |
| Tiffany |
yes, no matter who you are everybody can relate to one another
on some level |
| Brian |
I think that he was explaining how his truth (the students)
cannot been seen as clearly to the instrucor becuase he is white |
| ship |
sort of like the Michael Jackson song...it doesn't matter if
you're black or white |
| ship |
or yellow...or ...red...you are still an American |
| PianoGeek |
michael rocks |
| greg |
right |
| Katie |
lol |
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| ship |
he definitely can dance |
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| Elyssa |
way to change the subject. :) |
| greg |
oh my |
| PianoGeek |
:o) |
| greg |
i like it |
| Tiffany |
he is saying that color doesn't matter, we are all essentially
the same |
| Callie |
right |
| PianoGeek |
how about moving onto question #2 then |
| Elyssa |
exactly |
| ship |
well the poem itself does speak to music |
| Ashley |
we all enjoy similar things |
| greg |
good idea |
| Callie |
sounds good |
| Tiffany |
sure |
| Ashley |
ok |
| Vince |
but we do have differences |
| ship |
Bessie, bop, or Bach |
| greg |
bach |
| PianoGeek |
what do you think the professor would have thought of this piece
of writing if Hughes' speaker turned it in? |
| PianoGeek |
bessie! |
| PianoGeek |
anyway :o) |
| greg |
i think the proffessor would wonder what he was trying to say
just like we are right now |
| Katie |
he would be confused since he is not a person of color |
| Ashley |
considering when it was written...he's kind of going against
what Americans believed at the time. That whites were better than
blacks |
| Tiffany |
i think he would be a little offended considering the time that
this piece was written |
| PianoGeek |
we also have to keep in mind of course that the prof's thoughts
depend entirely on his personality |
| kevin |
it would have made him think about how he conducted the class |
| Vince |
he wrote about himself which is what the prof told him to do |
| Tiffany |
true |
| kevin |
think about the students feelings |
| Callie |
It should make him take some interest into what the student was
thinking at the time or why he wrote it |
| PianoGeek |
maybe he would have been offended, but perhaps he would have
been moved by the honesty the piece conveys |
| Katie |
it depends on the prof |
| greg |
i agree, the student made a wonderful point but being the time
the prof would wonder what he was trying to say |
| Tiffany |
he was being true to himself, so the prof should put his
personal feelings aside when grading |
| Elyssa |
it is how this writer thinks of the world |
| Brian |
agreed |
| ship |
give the prof some credit |
| Callie |
it should give him a different perspective on things |
| ship |
wouldn't you think the prof could read |
| ship |
I might be a bit biased |
| Katie |
one paper isn't going to change the attitude of a prof. |
| ship |
mmmmm |
| PianoGeek |
it very well could |
| Katie |
it would take a lot more then that |
| ship |
I'll remember that |
| PianoGeek |
you've always got to start something |
| Callie |
it all depends on the type of person the professor was |
| PianoGeek |
and starting small is usually the way to go |
| Elyssa |
at least he'd be able to see a something from a different
perspective |
| greg |
i think at the time one paper couldve changed everything |
| Katie |
it would be a start, yes |
| kevin |
He might look at that student in a different way now |
| PianoGeek |
next question? |
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| Tiffany |
yes |
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| Katie |
ok |
| Elyssa |
ok |
| greg |
i think he would look at the student a different way, but i
think it wouldve probably changed it for the negative at the time |
| Callie |
go for it |
| PianoGeek |
this is a long one |
| PianoGeek |
gag |
| PianoGeek |
:o) |
| ship |
the prof teaches at Columbia in the 60's don't you think he
would have been open minded |
| ship |
te Civil Rights movement |
| Vince |
he could be |
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| ship |
the Civil Rights Movement |
| Elyssa |
maybe? some people weren't very open minded then |
| Brian |
what makes you think that the prof already made assumptions
about the student, what the def. of truth is |
| Katie |
not everyone was openmided |
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| greg |
well, good point however the times were the times and at the
time whites were considered better then blacks |
| Ashley |
it depends on the persone...everyone has different view points |
| Tiffany |
some people were more liberal and open minded then others |
| greg |
sorry im all off right now |
| ship |
just as they are today |
| kevin |
people are closed minded today |
| Tiffany |
exactly |
| Ashley |
there are al ot of people today who aren't open minded |
| greg |
whoa, i dont know about all that |
| Tiffany |
not everybody is closed minded in fact I find a lot of people
are openminded |
| PianoGeek |
just so i can send this and join the present convo: what meaning
do you make from the speaker's assertion that "sometimes
perhaps you don't want to be a part of me. nor do i often want to
be a part of you."? do you think these emotions characterize
african americans and/or other minorities? are they limited to
such minorities? why? in what way(s)? |
| PianoGeek |
everywhere you look you're going to get a mix of openminded and
closeminded |
| PianoGeek |
no matter what the times are |
| Ashley |
I think a lot of minorities don't want to be assimilated in to
"whites" way of life. They want to keep there own
traditions |
| kevin |
hes sayin he doesnt want to be anyone else and no one wants to
be like him at times |
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| ship |
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| greg |
i dont think that it is secluded to minorities i think groups of
friends exclude other people of the same race all the time |
| ship |
the part could be seen in the larger sense of the word to
include |
| Tiffany |
i don't think that it means just race, but opinions, many people
have different opinions and whereas some things might offend one
person might not offend another |
| ship |
that part of America that opresses the minority |
| Elyssa |
people usually exclude anyone who isn't exactly like them |
| Callie |
I think that it could characterize anyone, no matter what race
or background. Everyone feels like they are out of place and dont
want to be bothered at times |
| Katie |
face the facts, no matter what everybody is never going to get
along |
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| greg |
cant argue with that |
| Vince |
i think he saying that different people like to do different
things I might not like what you like and you might not like what
i like |
| Callie |
i agree |
| Brian |
depends on the situation |
| PianoGeek |
however, we may all strive to get along |
| Katie |
it doesn't matter who you are you will always look at certain
people differently |
| greg |
cant argue witht that either |
| PianoGeek |
check our egos at the door |
| Ashley |
while we all have some similarities everyone is there own person |
| Elyssa |
but we have to learn to compromise and deal with each others
differences |
| Tiffany |
people like to be there own person and their ideas are going to
clash with others at some point |
| Katie |
right |
| PianoGeek |
doesn't mean we can't accept other ideas |
| PianoGeek |
in fact, we should |
| Tiffany |
exactly |
| greg |
bottom line, people are people and they are unique from one
another |
| Katie |
but who actualy does exept everything? |
| Tiffany |
which is what being openminded is all about |
| PianoGeek |
perhaps not agree, but live with it |
| Brian |
we shouldnt accept just for the sake of accepting, we should
respect their ideas |
| greg |
live with is good |
| kevin |
but its good to have differences, it makes you think about how
you act compared to others |
| Tiffany |
you can learn from each other too |
| greg |
yes you can |
| kevin |
exactly |
| Callie |
yep |
| PianoGeek |
definitely not accept for the sake of accepting - that would be
compromising yourself |
| PianoGeek |
agreed |
| greg |
accept cause you want to accept |
| Katie |
but what if you don't wan tto? |
| Tiffany |
this piece is about being who you are and being true to yourself |
| Brian |
yep |
| greg |
the just listen and forget |
| kevin |
but take the ideas into your own beliefs and make a conclusion |
| Tiffany |
right |
| greg |
exactly |
| PianoGeek |
yes, langston was very much for believing in oneself |
| PianoGeek |
what was the one quote of his i read.. |
| PianoGeek |
hmm |
| greg |
... |
| greg |
i like quotes |
| Tiffany |
me too |
| Elyssa |
u have to make sure that you like the idea because it's
something u believe in not because it's something that'll make you
look cool |
| Katie |
i don't |
| Elyssa |
some quotes are good |
| PianoGeek |
something about great poets are never afraid to be true to
themselves |
| greg |
thats true too |
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| PianoGeek |
put more elequently of course |
| greg |
was that the quote |
| Tiffany |
that should apply to everyone |
| Brian |
going back to the questionof whether the prof is stating that
your truth should be everyones truth, no where does it state that
he has any preconcieved idea of what truth is |
| PianoGeek |
in a nutshell lol |
| greg |
good deal |
| PianoGeek |
right |
| Ashley |
next question? |
| Tiffany |
the prof has no idea of who the true you is |
| Callie |
sure |
| PianoGeek |
surely |
| Elyssa |
if everyone were the same and did whatever everyone else
did....the world would be boring! |
| Elyssa |
\ |
| kevin |
people should only know what you want them to know |
| Brian |
thats why he asked them to right it |
| ship |
maybe you should start on the next poem |
| PianoGeek |
woowoo - easy question! |
| Elyssa |
good |
| PianoGeek |
two more |
| PianoGeek |
actually, one more |
| Tiffany |
ok |
| greg |
ok |
| PianoGeek |
why would i have you read this poem? |
| Elyssa |
to make us think about all the differences there are in the
world |
| kevin |
to test our literacy skills |
| Katie |
to try to make us appreciate each other |
| Brian |
to seehow we interpreted truth to be |
| Vince |
to remind us to be open minded |
| Callie |
and understand that we all have differences |
| Tiffany |
to help us right our first essay |
| Callie |
but they shouldnt matter |
| Tiffany |
write not right |
| PianoGeek |
to provide harmony amongst the masses |
| Callie |
all of the above |
| greg |
i think it applies in today's world and it helps us realize
other points of view |
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| PianoGeek |
langston hughes wrote much of his work to make a statement |
| PianoGeek |
which is what this poem is doing |
| greg |
he did a good job on this one |
| Tiffany |
and that everybody, including those in this room have different
opinions |
| Katie |
that's good |
| greg |
very true |
| Ashley |
I think it gives a goood insight to how a lot of blacks felt
back then |
| Tiffany |
next poem?? |
| greg |
next poem it is |
| PianoGeek |
alright |
| Elyssa |
if you put all our differences aside...race, religion,
etc....we're all human. |
| Katie |
okay |
| PianoGeek |
this poem rocks |
| greg |
cant argue with that |
| PianoGeek |
#1 |
| PianoGeek |
who is the speaker of the poem? |
| Katie |
? |
| PianoGeek |
we're doing "his rooms in college" |
| Tiffany |
a prof? |
| PianoGeek |
the speaker is the professor/husband |
| Callie |
thats what i was thinking |
| greg |
thats what i think |
| PianoGeek |
yes |
| Ashley |
yes |
| Tiffany |
:) |
| greg |
im glad we all agree |
| PianoGeek |
:o) we're all so cool it hurts |
| Callie |
next?? |
| PianoGeek |
#2? |
| greg |
it definitely hurts |
| Tiffany |
yea |
| PianoGeek |
who is the audience? |
| PianoGeek |
i had a bit of trouble deciding on this one |
| greg |
i think its whoever reads the poem |
| kevin |
anyone who reads the poem |
| PianoGeek |
i kind of think that the audience would be more of an adult
crowd |
| PianoGeek |
people who are married |
| greg |
agreed |
| PianoGeek |
have gone through troubled times |
| PianoGeek |
not to mention, accusations |
| Callie |
people his age... |
| Elyssa |
people who know what the writer is talking about |
| Ashley |
I htink it relates to adults |
| greg |
ship, who do you think the audience is? |
| Tiffany |
i think it relates to those who have been hurt by someone they
care about |
| PianoGeek |
also true |
| PianoGeek |
really, anyone can relate on some level |
| greg |
agreed |
| Tiffany |
i agree |
| kevin |
next |
| greg |
next is good |
| greg |
that was a hard question |
| PianoGeek |
#3 what is the "drama" of the poem? |
| PianoGeek |
this man's marriage is in shambles |
| PianoGeek |
because his wife accused him of having an affair |
| PianoGeek |
or at least some sort of relations with another woman |
| Ashley |
that he was accused of being unfaithful when he wasn't |
| greg |
yes she did |
| Callie |
thats definatly a drama.... |
| Tiffany |
he gets wrapped up in a book that he forgets about his problems |
| kevin |
being in a troubled relationship and how it affects his being |
| Elyssa |
and he wishes he could stay that way...without problems |
| Vince |
his marriage problems are affecting his work |
| PianoGeek |
the next question ties into the last one, so we can combine them |
| Tiffany |
ok shoot |
| Katie |
he was trying to get away by readin |
| greg |
good deal |
| Callie |
lets do it |
| PianoGeek |
#4 what is the theme of the poem? |
| Tiffany |
trust |
| PianoGeek |
alright, check this out: |
| greg |
guys shouldnt have affairs on their wives |
| PianoGeek |
what do you think of this |
| greg |
haha, im jk |
| PianoGeek |
AGREED |
| kevin |
love |
| Katie |
communitcation |
| Ashley |
it shows how reading can be a form of escape |
| PianoGeek |
"he reads, until the chapel clock strikes five" |
| Vince |
dealing with probles |
| PianoGeek |
he's in a church |
| Elyssa |
he wants forgiveness |
| Katie |
but did he really do it? |
| PianoGeek |
the book he picks up to read, "not even in his
'field'" - it's the Bible! |
| Elyssa |
no, but he still feels bad about it |
| greg |
it never really says if he actually did it |
| Callie |
that does make sense now |
| Vince |
i see |
| PianoGeek |
that's what i got of it |
| PianoGeek |
especially because of the last line |
| Elyssa |
that's a good point |
| PianoGeek |
well, couple of lines |
| PianoGeek |
"He look sout at the darkened lawns, surprised Less by the
loss of grief than by the trust" |
| PianoGeek |
he's given his problems, troubles, and worries over to the Lord |
| Ashley |
good point |
| Tiffany |
yes |
| kevin |
wow didnt think of that |
| Elyssa |
"and suddenly discovers that the book....has all along been
showing him it's mind" |
| greg |
but then what do the first two lines refer to? |
| Elyssa |
it's been telling him what to do |
| PianoGeek |
all throughout the poem there are references to his crying -
obviously being distressed |
| PianoGeek |
exactly |
| PianoGeek |
look: |
| PianoGeek |
all through the DAMP morning |
| PianoGeek |
(crying) |
| greg |
ah, yes |
| Katie |
i get it now |
| greg |
good call pianogeek |
| Elyssa |
i like poems when i understand them. :) |
| PianoGeek |
The young serious voices are DROWNED by her remembered piteous
wail |
| Tiffany |
the first 2 lines i think just tells us about him |
| PianoGeek |
here this line is good: |
| PianoGeek |
The same low river fog has never lifted |
| PianoGeek |
the way i interpreted this - |
| Brian |
couldnt "He never did commit" pertain to he never
commited himself to his wife other than not commiting an affair |
| PianoGeek |
good one |
| greg |
good call brian |
| Tiffany |
the "poor dears" could be his kids |
| kevin |
Good thinkin |
| Elyssa |
the fog may mean that he's confused |
| Ashley |
the students he teaches |
| PianoGeek |
his students |
| greg |
or the students could be his kids |
| Ashley |
he wonders if they will ever encounter this kind of grief |
| PianoGeek |
"low river fog" - when our eyes well up with tears,
where do the tears rest? |
| Vince |
the book helped him where no one else could |
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| Callie |
and i think he feels sorry for them because he believes they
will encounter problems jsut like he has |
| Tiffany |
and he doesn't want them to |
| Ashley |
exactly |
| Callie |
exactly |
| PianoGeek |
they rest right on our lower lashes, ready to brim over |
| ship |
I would encourage you to stop chatting, digest the conversation,
and post a reply to the last question now.... |
| kevin |
perfectly stated |
| PianoGeek |
the river - those are his tears |
| greg |
so what do we conclude, or dont we? |
| PianoGeek |
the fog - his blurry vision |
| Vince |
last ? |
| Brian |
I think the fog is the fact he commited himself maybe more
toward his work than his wife, the students are the fog that
clouds the relationship with his wife |
| ship |
The Bulletin Board Posting |
| Callie |
ok we should do that |
| greg |
im on that |
Kelly