March 11--Chat Log
Marcia was the old man the landlord? tiMd i tyhought it was his uncle katie i thought it was his father VS I think so tiMd i coulld be wrong christie i hope he's the land lord cause that was my answer Bri i thought he was a servant tiMd not me Marcia me too KevinU I thought they were roomates ............................ greg joined............. Ashley I just said that he lived with him ship the narrator was the caretaker Heatherr wasn't the narrator simply supposed to be taking care of the old man? Callie right.... Scott i thought he was just taking care of him tiMd ah greg he was tiMd good Marcia ok tiMd fine ship a nice epiphany Marcia and he killed him becaise the old man had a scary glass eye Callie right tiMd cataracts! Ashley his "evil eye" greg very carefully killed him Elyssa wasn't it blue or something? Ashley yes katie yeah greg because of his evil eye tiMd cataracts are blye Karla i think he had a cataracon his one eye Ashley he sai dit looked like a vultures eyes Marcia ew Bri it was like a vulture Scott yeah vulture eye Karla cataract on ............................Heatherr left............. ............................ Heatherr joined............. ship big deal...what's the point? christie it sound like he had cateracts\ greg i think the point poe was trying to make was something about being careful tiMd poe is insane VS He was grazy Callie yep definitly nuts tiMd grazy for gravy Marcia he felt so guilty after killing him Karla poe has a fixation on eyes greg yea, but i dont think that was his point he was trying to make tiMd right but only cause he was dillusional Bri window to the soul ship carefull about whom you allow in your house? tiMd right greg yes Marcia maybe ship seriously? NickWeaver he didn't feel guilty, rather he was nuts and believed that he coud hear the old mans heart from beneath the wood\ christie ship, any reason why poe has so many of his elements repeat story after story NickWeaver thats a good pt ship it worked tiMd he was obsessed with death VS I don't understand the theme of this story tiMd is there one? Marcia so were most people of this time period ship deals with polarities tiMd how? Karla poe trys to show that there is no perfect murder Ashley the narrator was trying to convince up that he wasn't mad but his guilt obviously made him mad because he continued to hear the man's heart when the man was dead. KevinU thought full death not just mindless mass killing ship that's for me to know and you to figure out Callie thats what i think too Marcia he is supposed to be taking care of the old man and ends up killing hi, Ashley he believed that the cops could hear it too and that they were mocking him Marcia that is pretty bi-polar greg he trys to show no matter how comfortable you feel about killing someone guilt will always prevail Ashley so he ended up confessing ship good Marcia tiMd you think there was amoral? christie is it possible that he has a motive that has been forgotten because of his insanity cause by guilt?? KevinU guilty concence will always come back to haunt you Ashley he said that the old man nice to him Heatherr are we talking about bi-polar disorder or simply polarities? Ashley he just couldn't stand his eye Marcia people can't be trusted greg he liked the man he just didnt like the eye Marcia we act on impulses NickWeaver i don't undersatnd one thing, if he was supposed to take care of the old man, then when he said that the old man was out of town, then why wouldn't he be with him? tiMd so...polarity. he loved the man...but loathed his eye Bri he took care of the estate Bri not him i think greg why does poe put so much emphasis on being careful? NickWeaver so they do not get couaght, rather their madness gets them caught ship well think of the theme of this class Marcia maybe because in real life he was paluged by bad stuff happening cause he wasn't careful Karla the perfect murder Callie madness caused by guilt christie you can't escape the truth Scott dont you need to be mad in the first place to kill someone? greg does it have anything to do with the theme? christie true Bri his attempt of total control and carefulness mad him go mad ship Poe boasted about his skill at solving puzzles and thinking of the genre of detective fiction KevinU it is a strange reason to kill someone VS practice makes perfect.....murder tiMd there is not much detecting in t.t.h. katie did Poe ever kill anyone? Heatherr the realization that his 'carefulness' caused him more guilt than anything else is what caused the narrator to lose it NickWeaver just his liver Heatherr not on record greg so the carefullness in the end was bad? Heatherr didn't poe lose a lot of the women in his life to death? i vaugely remember reading that somewhere.. christie his wife katie i think so too Marcia teburculosis Karla to TB christie who was also his cousin tiMd well he didnt end up being careful...he smothered the guy with a bed! Karla and his mother christie this parents... he was adopted Ashley he was extremely careful in coverign his tracks but he couldn't hide form his giulty consciuos NickWeaver yea i think he lost his mom, and wife to tb KevinU he should have been careful of his emotions and controlled himself so he didnt kill the old man Bri he didnt create a balance of control and noncontrol, making him go from one extreme to the other Karla by his step father --lived w/ his biological mother katie so Poe was a sad man, who wrote sad stories christie yep, but he was also sad cause he was a drunk Heatherr in a nutshell Marcia they arent exactly sad...more twisted ship good point Kevin, so what exactly does Poe do with the character of the narrator...what specific literary technique does he employ? Karla Allen was hs step fathers last name katie he was a drunk because he was sad christie and cause he got kickd out of his home by his step dad, then got kicked out of school Marcia he uses the dea man's heart greg why would poe take the job with the old man, if the eye bugged him so much? tiMd it didnt at first NickWeaver yea the yes got worse and worse Karla maybe the eye didn't bother him at first Scott because he was crazy katie the more he seen it ,t he more he hated it Karla just like the cat tiMd like the cat NickWeaver and it drove him nuts over time KevinU he liked the old man, he just couldnt get over the one flaw christie maybe he didn' have the eye thang going on when he took the job, the eye developed with the mans age Marcia he should have carved the eye out like he did to the cat tiMd exactly christie goodness NickWeaver thats why when he was in the room he only shined the light on the one eye greg so thats how poe tied this story to the black cat Marcia yeah KevinU the tell tale cat tiMd right...that was all he hated about the man Callie it got so bad its all he could see or think about when he was with the old man... Callie it drove him nuts Marcia i think the eye was an excuse to hate him Marcia so he could convince himself he had a good reason to kill greg but he said he didnt hate the man Callie justification... Karla good idea Marcia tiMd i dont think he was looking for a reason to kill ship what is the significance of the eye? christie i hate how sometimes poe does't name the naraotr, like hi sstories soemtimes sound like poe really did this stuff katie a normal SANE person would not kill someone because of their eye Elyssa yeah but he couldn't have gotten away with just getting rid of the one eye...they guy would have been upset about it unlike the cat who couldn't say anything Marcia it wasnt normal NickWeaver nonperfection Marcia not the ideal ship if you recall, Ashley mentioned the idea of the evil eye. What did she mean? Marcia always watching Callie the eye caused him to do evil things? Marcia all seeing eye Marcia the eye of satan Marcia or the eye of god KevinU I was the old mans flaw which made the narrorator evil christie the one eye was defective... "evil" tiMd if someone gave you the evil eye back in the day it was bad ship how so Tim? christie he was too accutely sensitive towars it Elyssa the eye maybe would point out all the imperfections and wrong-doings of others? ship the belief was? tiMd it wished evil upon you ship more than that? tiMd and misfortune KevinU they hated you ship what type of misfortune? greg they wanted you to DIE christie death NickWeaver death ship yes Elyssa they would criticize you ship ....so wouldn't that be reason enough to want to kill greg sure Ashley becuase of his "evil eye" the narrator saw the man as evil and threfore giving him justification to kill him tiMd it was Callie so the narrator thought that the mans eye was in a way wishing for him to die....and thats what caused him to kill? tiMd to "stop" the eye VS i guess KevinU but the old man didnt want the narrorator to die KevinU did he?? Marcia but it was the only way to get rid of the eye tiMd just the eye greg it never says that he did Callie in the narrators eyes maybe he believed that.. Bri He saw the eye as wanting him dead so he seeked revenge on the eye VS oh ............................ ben joined............. tiMd if you gave the evil eye back in the day you could be put to death ship In this story Poe essentially writes a story about a crazy person greg understandable ship no author had written about the inner mind as Poe did Ashley who doesn't believe that he's crazy tiMd no! the guy says hes not mad ship think also about the narrator himself Ashley a lot of crazy people won't admit that they are KevinU he just had one monment of insanity greg he doesnt want you to think he is mad, but he was ship so the author uses what literary technique Ashley they see themselves as normal Callie a lot of crazy people dont actually realize that they are crazy ship very good Ashley one of the reasons why they are crazy Callie right.... ship the difference between what is and what appears to be is known as? greg irony? tiMd reality ship I almost fell out of my chair, but Greg is right. ben good job greg greg whats new? greg thanks ben ship will wonders never cease ben anytime ship so any last thoughts about the Tell Tale Heart? tiMd it was short greg it wasnt as long at the gold bug ship it covers a period of 8 days VS I liked it Ashley a lot shorter than the next story Callie I liked it the best so far i think... tiMd thats my point NickWeaver i thought it was 9 days ben i liked it too greg it didnt have any weird codes in it Karla I thought nine tiMd i thought a week ship one question I have is who is the narrator? NickWeaver b/c on the 8th he killed him Ashley I said a week greg i only counted 8 NickWeaver and the 9th he would have seen the cops ben i said a week too tiMd yeah ben! katie he seen the cops on the 8th day Callie the caretaker of the old man....his servant kinda greg the narrator is poe himself VS a crazy guy tiMd the narrator is the mans son! tiMd maybe greg or someone poe didnt want to be ship what gender? Heatherr the narrator is probably just an extension of poe's own internal mind Marcia male Heatherr male Marcia ? tiMd female ben male? Callie a man... Ashley it never says does it KevinU the narrator is evil disgused as good in his own mind Karla day one he thought up the idea, days 2 - 8 he kept watch and day 9 he killed the old man ship what makes you think either male or female? ben cause i seen a play and it was a man ............................ NickWeaver left............. ............................ NickWeaver joined............. Marcia well he moved the bed to suffocate him Marcia a bed is pretty heavy i guess tiMd oh yeah...me too...it was a man tiMd i saw the movie Elyssa i saw the movie too Ashley couldn't that just be how the playwright percieved it greg women dont do these kinda things ben don't go that far greg ship pardon me, Greg greg im was just playing around greg sorry, no more jokes from me ship some woman may some day just kick ..... ben there are alot of women that do these things Callie atleast when someone first thinks of horrible things being done like that...people just usually believe it was a man Ashley Poe never actually says what gender it is does he? tiMd sure they do...y'ever seen the footage on worldws most f***ed up s**t of the lady beatin that senior? ship he doesn't ben no he doesn't Heatherr he keeps refering to himself as a madman -- or not ben good point heather ship so in all probablity it could be either which makes the story even more frightening Callie then does it make a difference if it was a man or not....either way the person was crazy Ashley so it's whatever the reader wants to believe it is tiMd sure ship yes.... tiMd yes.... Callie ok.... greg yes... ben yes.. VS so ship what is the theme? tiMd yes.... VS ?? tiMd dont ever sleep! greg the theme is still unknown i think ben trust nobody KevinU self control Marcia unpredictability Callie death...craziness...guilt tiMd polarity and irony Karla no perfect murder Marcia of the mind NickWeaver don't tell the cops you killed someone ship think back to what Marcia said earlier VS sleep with your good eye open Marcia human bi-polar tendency? greg and your bad eye half shut ship theme: the underlying message that the author wishes to impart to a reader Ashley the human mind ship yes, Marcia tiMd never sit with the cops in the same room you just killed an old man in while sipping tea ship but clarify it for the class in terms of specifics Heatherr along with polarity, guilt has the power to drive one mad ben that you can never get away with anything...cause even you if you are not caught, guilt will drive you crazy ship good Heather ship excellent! tiMd wrong ben ship not necessarily true, Ben.... ben you were wrong tim greg even if the person thinks he is sane, guilt will make you insane tiMd youre the wrong one! ship many a person commits and evil act and never thinks anything about it ben ship said i was pretty close tiMd i know karate ben who cares greg karate is for losers Ashley I think those people are crazy already then greg haha, im just playing around again tiMd you will...when i karate chop youre head Callie so it is the sane people who for a moment act in an insane way that are faced with the guilt to drive them crazy for the rest of their life? ship timd, that's nice big guy, but let's stay on course...okay? ben i agree with shp..tim... greg something about bipolarness and irony i think tiMd thats what i said greg well im glad we agree ship good vs. evil VS is that a word tiMd damn straight ben oh look, tim has a friend tiMd but the evil isnt really evil ship when the scales tip toward evil havoc usually results greg what is good in that story KevinU good evil vs good tiMd the narrator=good greg the narrator is never good greg he always wants to kill the man Marcia the cops are good tiMd in his mind he is Marcia maybe Marcia the old man is, without his eye tiMd he does the right thing ship okay...would you say that you have exhausted this story... Heatherr the initial comroderie between the two is good Ashley yes Marcia yes ship discuss the Gold Bug tiMd yes katie yes ben sure Scott it was really long Callie Gold Bug.....right greg that it was ben yes it was KevinU This story confused the s**t out of me Marcia I thought the gold bug was really differant from all the other stories we read tiMd i did not like the story...for one i didnt finish it Callie that whole code thing confused me tiMd me too Scott the code was very confusing Heatherr it wasn't a murder mystery for once greg very true NickWeaver what did that have to do with anyway? Marcia It did not really deal with death, nobody dies and they got all the treasure Ashley the man was extrermly smart to decode it Marcia and nothing bad happened Callie yes.. ship but.... katie did he have to explain the whole process of the code, that was boring ben but what Ashley it told him where the treasure was KevinU Where did the bug come from? Marcia yeah the whole way of decoding was unnecessary Scott yeah it seemed that poe went off track in this one tiMd the mainland ship if the character hadn't decoded it would you have been able to make anything of it greg didnt someone have evil intentions? Karla again we see a character with insane tendencies NickWeaver how to get there or how to dig the whole? NickWeaver hole* Ashley the bug is what led the man to find the parchment paper Marcia he could have summarized it, It felt like he was trying to explain it to a first grader KevinU did it just land on his shoulder one day?? Callie the whole thing with dropping it through that skull was strange.... katie he found it ship the cryptogram...would you have solved its meaning Elyssa he found it one day Ashley no Scott no tiMd no he found it on the mainland...on the beach Callie no way....I hate those things katie no greg if i had about 20 years Marcia no, but he explained it like letter by letter which was unecessary Ashley it took a lot of thought KevinU how did he know there was a skull in the damn tree?? Ashley the letter told him greg the code tiMd poe likes puzzles Marcia he saw it through the telescope Callie it shows how intelligent the man really was.. ship he is organizing the chaos of the tale into an organized summary Ashley he saw it when he looked in the telescope greg oh Ashley from the rock VS oh greg i didnt get that part ben you wouldn' ben t KevinU I must have missed that!! katie is a NewFoundlin dog big? Ashley the code told him about the rock and the degrees to point the telescope Marcia hw big was the parchment to fit all that writing on it greg ben 1 me 0 tiMd yes tiMd big dog KevinU I thought is was a wolf KevinU it NickWeaver i thought it was mut greg very big dog Marcia i cant belive they got to keep all that treasure greg yea thats pretty sweet ben i wish i found some treasure KevinU where did the dog appear from?? greg you would Ashley took a lot of thinking to find it though ben tied Ashley it was LeGrands dog greg ben 1 me 1 Marcia the three of them would never have carried it all out in one night Marcia no way Callie I dont think that the bug was as significant as it was played out ot be...I think that the man just used it to find the treasure to show he wasnt crazy, any small object like that could have worked the same... Karla he came in fom outsde Karla from* Marcia yeah why did he use the bug instead of the bullet Marcia I didnt get that part greg cause the bug was in the title Ashley he explained it in the end tiMd the bug bit him...he then had a lust for gold katie he wanted the other guy to think taht he was crazy KevinU was this a real bug or like a broach?? katie because he made him mad katie for critisizing his drawling Heatherr i was just going to say that, kevin ship a real bug supposedly tiMd he got bitten by "the gold bug" pretty sure it was just stupid symblism Karla was the narator a doctor or was he just alluding to taking care of william KevinU did the bug really bite him or did he find the bug and want more gold?? Ashley he said it was his way of quietly punishing the guy for thinking he was crazt Ashley the bug bit him Elyssa isn't there some kind of saying that ur bitten by the bug when ur greedy for gold?? tiMd right tiMd thats what i said greg the theme of this story was greed Marcia i didnt think they were all that greedy tiMd right but poe made greed worth the troouble Marcia they just wanted the gold Marcia they solved the puzzle so they shoudl get it Marcia that isnt greedy tiMd thats greed...no? greg but isnt that being greedy? NickWeaver no ben they solved it so the are worthy of it greg wanting more gold? Marcia yeah VS is the theme that greed is a sickness ship okay...let's stop here; I want you to pair up with someone to peer review your essay Callie okie dokie
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